1. 4/20/09 BR (Quiz)- 1.Plato was the student of _____. ______ was the student of Plato. 2. To Socrates, the most important thing was… 3. In order to find the most important thing Socrates used what is called the Socratic Method. This method is.. Today: Comparing and Contrasting Plato and Aristotle

2. Assignment for Tuesday: BLLM 23BLLM 23

3. Plato vs. Aristotle Everything based on reason/logic Tried to create utopia (perfect society) Democracy was dangerous – common people couldn’t make decisions Too much freedom could lead to bad society Concerned with the idea of “justice” Everything based on reason/logic Tried to create utopia (perfect society) Democracy was dangerous – common people couldn’t make decisions Too much freedom could lead to bad society Concerned with the idea of “justice” Figure out ways to test ideas (research- observe) Figure out ways to improve existing society instead of trying for utopia. Communities were best suited for deciding the right actions Plain language vs. Plato’s “poetry.” Solid vs. vague Figure out ways to test ideas (research- observe) Figure out ways to improve existing society instead of trying for utopia. Communities were best suited for deciding the right actions Plain language vs. Plato’s “poetry.” Solid vs. vague

4. Plato vs. Aristotle Plato’s Republic (Perfect Society) was divided into 3 levels: –Gold (guardians) “philosopher king”, rulers who used philosophy- knew the truth and used to it rule wisely. Should always have power! –Silver (Auxiliaries) warriors and people of strength –Bronze (artisans) common producers such as farmers and builders Plato believed all men and women could serve at all levels. Aristotle thought men were tops. Plato’s mistrust of democracy may have resulted from Socrates’ death. Plato’s Republic (Perfect Society) was divided into 3 levels: –Gold (guardians) “philosopher king”, rulers who used philosophy- knew the truth and used to it rule wisely. Should always have power! –Silver (Auxiliaries) warriors and people of strength –Bronze (artisans) common producers such as farmers and builders Plato believed all men and women could serve at all levels. Aristotle thought men were tops. Plato’s mistrust of democracy may have resulted from Socrates’ death.

5. Plato vs. Aristotle Aristotle believed: Locking people into 3 classes was dangerous, rigid, and led to unhappiness of some classes. (Gold could never be Bronze.) Some people could rise to better positions or fall because of their abilities. People needed to participate in democracy but it was better than Plato’s government. Not everything could be decided by reason- you needed to research (observe the world) Aristotle believed: Locking people into 3 classes was dangerous, rigid, and led to unhappiness of some classes. (Gold could never be Bronze.) Some people could rise to better positions or fall because of their abilities. People needed to participate in democracy but it was better than Plato’s government. Not everything could be decided by reason- you needed to research (observe the world)

6. Assignment: Due Friday - Create Your Utopia (45 Points) Like Plato, write an essay (2 pages) that describes your ideal society. Be sure to answer things like.. -What is the goal of your society? -What are the major laws, and who decides what they are and by what process? -How are the cities constructed? Do you have schools, businesses, agriculture? -What are the jobs and responsibilities of families and how are children raised? -How do people get their jobs -Who decides what crimes there are and how are they punished? -What other issues would you decide are important in your ideal society? -What are the roles of women? Like Plato, write an essay (2 pages) that describes your ideal society. Be sure to answer things like.. -What is the goal of your society? -What are the major laws, and who decides what they are and by what process? -How are the cities constructed? Do you have schools, businesses, agriculture? -What are the jobs and responsibilities of families and how are children raised? -How do people get their jobs -Who decides what crimes there are and how are they punished? -What other issues would you decide are important in your ideal society? -What are the roles of women?