1. Joint MSc studies in Software Engineering students’ point of view Gordana Rakic Silvia Feher

2. Overview Student’s expectations Prerequisites Lecture style Executed courses Mobility Summary

3. Why Joint MSc in SE? “Get more theoretical and even more practical knowledge about SE.” Natasa Tosevska, Skopje “…very interesting and different from the classical studies that we had on my faculty.” Ana Izmirlieva, Skopje “The Joint MSc studies in SE are acknowledged in Germany where I would like to find a job.” ??? Questionnaire was done: 29.05.2007. In Novi Sad

4. Any predispositions needed? “…The only predisposition was a good knowledge of English language ” Igor Antalovic, Nis “Java programming language, English knowledge” Vlado Velkovsi, Skopje “I feel I gained all of them during my undergraduate studies” Aleksandar Mastilovic, NS “English, high IQ, diploma in Computer Science” ??? Questionnaire was done: 29.05.2007. in Novi Sad

5. Style and content of the lecture “ Compacted lessons, organized mostly during the weekends were very useful for those who are employed.” Mladen Stevanovic, Novi Sad “Very natural, simple, well organized…” Natasa Tosevska, Skopje “New to me, and I like it” Aleksandar Mastilovic, Novi Sad “The content of the lecture was presented in a modern way” Aleksandra Stefanovic, Nis Questionnaire was done: 29.05.2007. In Novi Sad

6. Statements on some executed courses (1) Privacy, ethics and social responsibilities “Showed us a different aspect of considering nowadays society rules” Vesna Jovanovic, Novi Sad Formal methods engineering “This is the first time we have seen and understand the usage of mathematical formalism.” ??? Architecture, design and patterns “View on software architecture through building architecture – very interesting.” Mladen Stevanovic, Novi Sad Questionnaire was done: 29.05.2007. In Novi Sad

7. Statements on some executed courses (2) Software engineering in critical systems “Great course, much applicability and benefit” Aleksandar Mastilovic, Novi Sad “It seems to me as the lecturer and also the assistants gave their best.” Evica Bosnic, Novi Sad “Ask me anything about an insulin pump, I will know the answer…maybe” ??? Questionnaire was done: 29.05.2007. In Novi Sad

8. Research methods “Quite refreshing … we never had lectures similar to this.” ??? “Very practical use in many areas of works, not only in teaching but also in projects, organization…” Natasa Tosevska, Nis “Superb presentation!! Experience that can be applied in real life!” Vlado Velkovski, Skopje Statements on some executed courses (3) Questionnaire was done: 29.05.2007. In Novi Sad

9. Statements on some executed courses (4) System integration “Very wide area of methods covered. It might be split in two subjects.” ??? “Wide coverage of integration and communicating techniques, although it requires huge knowledge of Java as a prerequisite.” Vlado Velkovski, Skopje “New technologies, a lot of things to learn, practical and useful.” ??? Questionnaire was done: 29.05.2007. In Novi Sad

10. Courses organized later(1) questionnaire did not cover these courses Requirement engineering (non-official statements) “We have heard so good discussion instead of classic lectures” ??? “It was interesting to hear real experience from older colleagues who work in industry.” ??? “We have recognized well known issues from our experience placed in quite formalized context ” ???

11. Courses organized later(2) questionnaire did not cover these courses Information Systems Development Process  course was organized after summer semester was finished  summer holidays were started  it was fifth optional module for students in Novi Sad  attendance in Novi Sad was pure

12. Mobility “Even it’s time and energy consuming, I find this experience to be very interesting and useful.” Vlado Velkovski, Skopje “Good chance to meet people from the same profession, and to exchange experience.” Marija Kordumova, Skopje “I don’t mind the traveling … it is well organized, though we had few issues with accommodation.” ??? Questionnaire was done: 29.05.2007. In Novi Sad

13. We expected... New style of studies New tools New contents Traveling Meeting new people

14. We have got more Pleasure to listen great lecturers Chance to work in team with foreign students Challenge to solve real problems Great support for courses on internet Possibility to listen courses even if we could not attend it

15. We have not got... Expected scope of optional modules Expected scope of participants

16. Conclusions High expectations concerning the curriculum Needed predispositions don’t present a problem to students Lecture  miscellaneously courses  useful content  motivating assignments  engaged lecturers Mobility is a great opportunity

17. Meeting in Novi Sad…

18. Having a beer… in Skopje…

19. … in Nis…

20. Relaxing on Vodno mountaineering…

21. Amusement in Nis…

22. Also working a bit… in Nis…

23. …again in Nis

24. …in Skopje

25. Discussing homework…