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1 Diploma in Family History Occupational Records

2 Why? The Irish in the British Army

3 Where are the originals? National Archives, Kew Some few exceptions Guards regiments... Post 1920 records

4 Why are they so hard to grasp? 1660 Reforms Sheer scale Genealogy subscription sites

5 Where are the online copies? In general... TNA commercial deals with Pre-1913 FindMyPast.co.uk WW1 Ancestry.co.uk But... exceptions

6 General guide...nam.ac.uk

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8 Detailed guide... www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

9 What records? Commissioned Non-commissioned Before or after 1913

10 Army List from 1740. Annotated copies downloadable from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk (“digital microfilm”) At Kew: WO 31, 25: Commissions WO 64: Promotions WO 25: Pensions National Archives catalogue search Commissioned officers

11 1785 Army List

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13 discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u k

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16 Service records pre-1913 Pension or non-pension? Pension: Chelsea or Kilmainham: FindMyPast Soldiers’ Documents (Discharges) – pension to 1883, all thereafter WO 97 To 1915 (?) on FindMyPast.co.uk Other, piecemeal, on FindMyPast.co.uk Records of the non- commissioned

17 Kilmainham Pensioner

18 Chelsea Pensioner

19 Enlistment record

20 Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Register of Soldiers who served in Canada 1743-1882 (ancestry.co.uk)

21 Non-Pension records (Kew only) WO 12: Muster Books and Pay Lists (1732-1878) 13,307 volumes Know the regiment! Campaign and Service Medals and Awards (ancestry.co.uk) Army service records

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23 Post 1913: Ancestry.com Service: 3.6 million records Pension: 2.1 million records Medal Index: 5.3 million

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25 Post 1913 WW1 short service record “Burnt” documents

26 Medal index cards 1914-1920 Created c.1917/18 5 million entries Everyone who “served in a theatre of war” British War Medal Victory Medal 1914-15 Star

27 name, rank(s), unit(s), regimental number, medal entitlement [...] www.1914-1918.net for explanation Medal index cards 1914-1920

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29 War Graves Commission Deaths after 1915 www.cwgc.org

30 Irish Regiments www.militaryarchives.ie => “About” Caution

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32 War diaries 1914-1922 Pot luck, partially digitised, paying www.nationalarchive.gov.uk => War diaries www.operationwardiary.org (crowdsourced)

33 Miscellaneous (!) www.bmdregisters.co.uk (prisoners of war) Enlisted men Other Records Casualties and deserters 1795-1875 Description Books 1756-1900 Regimental Registers of Births, 1761-1924

34 Miscellaneous Other Deaths of Irish [...] African War (1898-1902) (GRO) Ireland's Memorial Records (FindMyPast.ie)

35 Wills: www.gov.uk/probate- search

36 soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie 9,000 pre-printed Free, fully-searchable Irish

37 FindMyPast.co.uk

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39 Ancestry.com Service: 3.6 million records Pension: 2.1 million records Medal Index: 5.3 million

40 Summary?

41 POLICE 1814: Peace Preservation Force 1822: County Constabulary 1836: Irish Constabulary 1867: Royal Irish Constabulary Dublin Metropolitan Police

42 POLICE General Register 1816 -1922 NA- Kew (mf NAI, PRONI, LDS...) Herlihy, Jim: The Royal Irish Constabulary: a complete alphabetical list of officers and men, 1816-1922 DMP: Garda Archives (mf NAI)

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45 LAWYERS: KING’S INNS Up to 1867: solicitors (apprentices); barristers (students). Family information required King's Inns admission papers, 1607- 1867, edited by Edward Keane, P. Beryl Phair, and Thomas U. Sadlier (Dublin : Stationery Office for the Irish Manuscripts Commission, 1982). www.irishmanuscripts.ie Later: Dublin directories

46 CLERGY Catholic: think sideways C of I: Biographical succession lists, RCBL Presbyterian: www.presbyterianhistoryireland.comwww.presbyterianhistoryireland.com

47 Prison registers Cork city prison registers 1819-1924 www.findmypast.ie


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