1. 1 Making Peace with the Pieces Caught Between Secondary and Post-secondary Education Judy Whitaker Concurrent Enrollment Coordinator Taylorsville High School 5225 S. Redwood Rd. Salt Lake City, UT 84123 801-685-5460 judy.Whitaker@granite.k12.ut.us Peggy Sadler Concurrent Enrollment Acting Director Salt Lake Community College 4600 S. Redwood Rd. Salt Lake City, UT 84130 801-957-4668 peggy.sadler@slcc.edu

2. 2 INTERNAL ISSUES Secondary Ed: Elitism among CE teachers AP vs. Concurrent Funding differences Class size differences Hierarchy of authority

3. 3 INTERNAL ISSUES Post-secondary Ed: Different degrees of support for CE among departments Poor communication of curriculum changes Slow processing of paperwork Lack of empathy for secondary ed. constraints

4. 4 FACULTY AUTHORITY Secondary Ed: District & state office make decisions, control curriculum District policy & budget determine how frequently textbooks can be changed

5. 5 FACULTY AUTHORITY Post-secondary Ed: Faculty make decisions, control curriculum Faculty choose the textbooks, text changes every 2 years Faculty can change teacher credential requirements

6. 6 SOURCES OF CURRICULUM Secondary Ed GE classes: State Core Curriculum must be taught Secondary Ed ATE classes: state office determines competencies

7. 7 SOURCES OF CURRICULUM Post-secondary GE classes: curriculum determined by state-wide committees Post-secondary ATE classes: curriculum determined by Program Advisory Committees

8. 8 RIGHT OR PRIVILEGE? K-12 must keep students in class Students are required by law to attend Citizenship grades affect graduation

9. 9 RIGHT OR PRIVILEGE? Post-secondary students pay for the privilege of attending Most classes don’t require attendance

10. 10 ACADEMIC STANDARDS To which set of rules do teachers and students adhere in cases of behavior problems, cheating? Grades must be the same in both records

11. 11 CLASS SIZE RESTRICTIONS Secondary Ed: must have MINIMUM 38 students in each class to be cost- effective

12. 12 CLASS SIZE RESTRICTIONS Post-secondary Ed: enrollment restrictions maximum 25 or 30 students in English & language classes

13. 13 SCHEDULING High school registration in Feb. & Mar. for following fall. A lot will change in a year.

14. 14 SCHEDULING Semester start and end dates Grading deadlines Admission & registration deadlines

15. 15 ADMISSION REQUIREMENTS Secondary teachers and students comply with post-secondary procedures Some have GPA requirements for students enrolling in CE

16. 16 ADMISSION REQUIREMENTS Post-secondary departments are not sympathetic with secondary circumstances Placement Testing, Admission Requirements aren’t flexible

17. 17 ACCOUNTABILITY Secondary Ed is accountable to parents, with midterm reports, grades, etc.

18. 18 ACCOUNTABILITY Post-secondary Ed can’t give out grades or student schedules to parents

19. 19 MATURITY OF STUDENTS High school students change classes, don’t withdraw from college High school students expect college credit even if they’re not properly registered or don’t complete the class Don’t understand they’re generating a permanent college record

20. 20 SOLUTIONS Communication with high school administrators Communication with high school teachers Communication with college administrators Communication with students Communication with parents

21. 21 SOLUTIONS Case by case teacher approval Case by case student appeals Case by case exceptions to the rules Case by case academic dishonesty Case by case course approval

22. 22 Making Peace with the Pieces Thank you