2. Proposition “The Scriptures forbid a woman to authoritatively teach (didaskein) the Scriptures to a man in every situation in which the woman teaches a man authoritatively.” Affirm: Marion R. Fox Deny: Jerry D. McDonald You will note that I am not claiming a woman is forbidden to teach secular matters to a man.

3. Things Women May Do 1-Grade a man’s Bible correspondence course. 2-Impart spiritual information to a man. 3-Answer a question a man has concerning spiritual matters. 4-Help to expound the way of God more accurately to a man. 5-Show an erring brother his fault. 6-Teach secular matters to men.

4. Things Women May Do 7-Read the Bible to a man. 8-Quote a passage of Scripture to a man. 9-Give a Bible tract to a man. 10-Give a Bible to a man. 11-Ask Bible questions of a man. 12-Discuss spiritual matters with a man. 13-Make comments in a discussion of spiritual matters with a man. 14-Authoritatively teach women and children.

5. Things Women May Do Women may do any of the 14 things of the two prior slides as long as she does not violate Scripture in doing these things. For example, she may not impart spiritual information to a man by preaching in a mixed worship assembly or be “the teacher” in a mixed Bible class. This debate is not about these 14 matters.

6. Proposition “The Scriptures forbid a woman to authoritatively teach (didaskein) the Scriptures to a man in every situation in which the woman teaches a man authoritatively.” 1 Tim: 2:12 (ASV) But I permit not a woman to teach (didaskein), nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

7. Stipulation When I say: “didaskō type teaching” I am referring to the word that is translated: “to teach” in 1 Tim. 2:12. I am making the claim that the teaching that a woman is forbidden to do (with regard to a man - didaskō) is authoritative type teaching (in 1 Tim. 2:12). I am not claiming (in this debate) that didaskō is always authoritative type teaching.

8. The Context Reveals Where This Applies (1 Tim. 2:8). 1 Tim. 2:8 (ASV) I desire therefore that the men pray in every place, (every where - KJV) lifting up holy hands, without wrath and disputing. In the context of 1 Tim. 2:12, we learn that these verses apply “... in every place.” There is no good reason to limit these words to public places.

9. Errors that Jerry Must Make in Order to Deny This Proposition Jerry must use unsound hermeneutics (Bible interpretation techniques). We will show these as the debate progresses. Jerry must use unsound reasoning (he will commit fallacies in his reasoning). We will show these as the debate progresses.

10. Terms Defined By “The Scriptures” I mean the 66 books known as the Bible (i.e. 1 Tim. 2:12). The word “forbid” means: “to proscribe from or as if from a position of authority: command against...” (Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 10 th edition) Paul, from a position of authority (as an apostle of Christ), commanded against (forbade “... I permit not”) a woman authoritatively teaching a man (1 Tim. 2:12).

11. DEFINITION OF THE ENGLISH WORD “TEACH” 1. a: to cause to know something b: to cause to know how c: to accustom to some action or attitude d: to cause to know the disagreeable consequences of some action 2: to guide the studies of 3: to impart the knowledge of 4 a: to instruct by precept, example, or experience b: to make known and accepted 5: to conduct instruction regularly in vi: to provide instruction: act as a teacher (Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 10th edition)

12. Logical Argument on the Word “Teach” Either definition 1 is correct, definition 2 is correct, definition 3 is correct, definition 4 is correct, definition 5 is correct, or some other definition is correct (this dictionary does not have the correct definition).

13. Fox’s Logical Argument First Premise: If definitions 1, 2, 3, and 4 are incorrect, then definition 5 is the correct definition. Second Premise: Definitions 1, 2, 3, and 4 are incorrect. Conclusion: Definition 5 is the correct (sound) definition. This is true if Webster has the correct definition of the word “teach.”

14. Logical Argument First Premise: If the interpretation of 1 Tim. 2:12 is correct, then no approved action of anyone in the Scriptures will conflict with the interpretation of 1 Tim. 2:12. Second Premise: The approved action of _______ conflicts with the interpretation of 1 Tim. 2:12. Conclusion: _____ is not the correct interpretation of 1 Tim. 2:12.

15. Logical Argument Clarified We will establish that the approved actions of someone in the Scriptures conflicts with the interpretation of 1 Tim. 2:12 for the first four definitions of Merriam Webster. The apostles approved actions by either: (1) an apostolic approved example, (2) a commandment, or (3) by a necessary inference (logical implication).

16. Brotherhood Accepted Principle Our brotherhood has accepted the principle that a correct definition of a biblical word can be inserted into the passage of Scripture in question and it will make sense. Furthermore, a correct definition will not pose a contradiction to other passages of Scripture. (All Scripture harmonizes with all other Scripture.)

17. Proof that Definition One is Incorrect 1. a: to cause to know something b: to cause to know how c: to accustom to some action or attitude d: to cause to know the disagreeable consequences of some action 1. a: to cause to know something b: to cause to know how c: to accustom to some action or attitude d: to cause to know the disagreeable consequences of some action Webster defines “teach” as “to cause to know …” (summary of above definition)

18. Definition Inserted into 1 Tim. 2:12 1 Tim: 2:12 (ASV) But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. 1 Tim. 2:12 But I permit not a woman to cause to know (the Scriptures), nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

19. First Definition Examined This interpretation means that a woman is forbidden to impart any instruction (cause a man to know) relating to the Scriptures. However, we do see women imparting spiritual information to men in several passages of Scripture. Clearly didaskō type teaching is not merely imparting information to another person.

20. One can “cause to know” by: Answering a Bible question Giving spiritual information Quoting a passage of Scripture Reading the Bible to someone Expounding the way of God Giving testimony of spiritual matters Therefore none of the above constitute the kind of teaching forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12.

21. Jerry McDonald Cannot Accept the First Definition He is affirming: “The Great Commission (as given in Mt. 28:19-20 and Mk. 16:15- 16) always has obligated all Christians (including women) to preach and teach the gospel to every creature...” Obviously women will “cause men to know the Scriptures” when they preach and teach the gospel to every creature (every creature includes men).

22. Second Definition Examined The second definition: “2: to guide the studies of” 1 Tim: 2:12 (ASV) But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. 1 Tim. 2:12 But I permit not a woman to guide the studies of (the Scriptures), nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

23. Second Definition Examined Does 1 Tim. 2:12 forbid guiding the studies of a man by: Answering a Bible question, Giving spiritual information, Quoting a passage of Scripture, Reading the Bible, Expounding the way of God, etc.?

24. Jerry McDonald Cannot Accept the Second Definition He is affirming: “The Great Commission (as given in Mt. 28:19-20 and Mk. 16:15- 16) always has obligated all Christians (including women) to preach and teach the gospel to every creature...” Obviously women will “guide the studies of men” when they preach and teach the gospel to every creature (every creature includes men).

25. Third Definition Examined The third definition is: “3: to impart the knowledge of” 1 Tim: 2:12 (ASV) But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. 1 Tim. 2:12 But I permit not a woman to impart the knowledge of (the Scriptures), nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

26. One can impart knowledge of by: Answering a Bible question Giving spiritual information Quoting a passage of Scripture Reading the Bible to someone Expounding the way of God Giving testimony of spiritual matters Therefore none of the above constitute the kind of teaching forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12.

27. Jerry McDonald Cannot Accept the Third Definition He is affirming: “The Great Commission (as given in Mt. 28:19-20 and Mk. 16:15- 16) always has obligated all Christians (including women) to preach and teach the gospel to every creature...” Obviously women will “impart the knowledge of the Scriptures” when they preach and teach the gospel to every creature (every creature includes men).

28. Fourth Definition Examined The fourth definition is: “a: to instruct by precept, example, or experience b: to make known and accepted …” 1 Tim: 2:12 (ASV) But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. 1 Tim. 2:12 But I permit not a woman to instruct by precept, example, or experience of (the Scriptures), nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

29. One can: a: instruct by precept, example, or experience or b: make known and accepted by: Answering a Bible question Giving spiritual information Quoting a passage of Scripture Reading the Bible to someone Expounding the way of God Giving testimony of spiritual matters Therefore none of the above constitute the kind of teaching forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12.

30. Jerry McDonald Cannot Accept the Fourth Definition He is affirming: “The Great Commission (as given in Mt. 28:19-20 and Mk. 16:15- 16) always has obligated all Christians (including women) to preach and teach the gospel to every creature...” Obviously women will “instruct by precept, example, or experience the Scriptures” when they preach and teach the gospel to every creature (every creature includes men).

31. Fifth Definition Examined The fifth definition is: “5: to conduct instruction regularly in vi: to provide instruction: act as a teacher” 1 Tim: 2:12 (ASV) But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. 1 Tim. 2:12 But I permit not a woman to act as a teacher of (the Scriptures), nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

32. Correct Exegesis of Passages All principles of the Law of Moses are either eternal principles (binding for all time) or temporary principles (only binding under the Law of Moses). No temporary principles are binding after the cross (Col. 2:14). The principle of subjection of women to men is a principle of the Law of Moses that is binding after the cross (1 Cor. 14:34, 1 Tim. 2:11-15, and 1 Pet. 3:5-6). Therefore, the principle of subjection of women to men is an eternal principle.

33. Passages on Subjection 1 Cor. 14:34 let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law. 1 Tim. 2:11 Let a woman learn in quietness with all subjection.

34. Passages on Subjection 1 Pet. 3:5 For after this manner aforetime the holy women also, who hoped in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands: 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose children ye now are, if ye do well, and are not put in fear by any terror. This is in the patriarchal dispensation.

35. Passages on Subjection It is evident from this argument (on 1 Cor. 14:34, 1 Tim. 2:13-15, and 1 Pet. 3:5-6) that the principle of subjection of woman to man in both the spiritual realm and in the home is an eternal principle that was established in Eden. Conclusion: Women have always been obligated to be in subjection to men in both the home and in the spiritual realm.

36. Logical Argument First Premise: If the law of God in the New Testament is that women are not to engage in some type of teaching of men (1 Tim. 2:12), then no commandment of an apostle entails women engaging in the type teaching of men forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12. Second Premise: The law of God in the New Testament is that women are not to engage in some type teaching of men. (1 Tim. 2:12) Conclusion: No commandment of an apostle entails women engaging in the type of teaching of men forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12.

37. Logical Argument First Premise: If the law of God in the New Testament is that women are not to engage in some type of teaching of men (1 Tim. 2:12), then no apostolic approved example entails women engaging in the type teaching of men forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12. Second Premise: The law of God in the New Testament is that women are not to engage in some type of teaching of men. (1 Tim. 2:12) Conclusion: No apostolic approved example entails women engaging in the type of teaching of men forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12.

38. Logical Argument First Premise: If the law of God in the New Testament is that women are not to engage in some type of teaching of men (1 Tim. 2:12), then no necessary inference from the Scriptures entails women engaging in the type teaching of men forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12. Second Premise: The law of God in the New Testament is that women are not to engage in some type of teaching of men. (1 Tim. 2:12) Conclusion: No necessary inference from the Scriptures entails women engaging in the type of teaching of men forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12.

39. Conclusion of Logical Arguments From this we determine that there is neither an apostolic approved example, nor a commandment, nor a necessary inference of women engaging in the type of teaching of men that is forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12. This means that most of the arguments that have been brought up by those who are trying to modify the role of women in the Lord’s church are unsound arguments.

40. What we have proven The prohibition of 1 Tim. 2:12 applies “in every place” (ASV) or “everywhere” (KJV) according to the context (1 Tim. 2:8). The teaching forbidden in 1 Tim. 2:12 is authoritative type teaching (a teacher-pupil relationship). This proves my proposition to be true.

41. Things Marion has not said in his proposition Marion has not said that all teaching by a woman of a man is forbidden (only authoritative teaching is forbidden). Marion has not said that all didaskō type teaching is forbidden. (Marion has only said that authoritative didaskō type teaching is forbidden. [This allows for the logical possibility that non-authoritative didaskō type teaching exists.])

42. Proposition “The Scriptures forbid a woman to authoritatively teach (didaskein) the Scriptures to a man in every situation in which the woman teaches a man authoritatively.” Affirm: Marion R. Fox Deny: Jerry D. McDonald You will note that I am not claiming a woman is forbidden to teach secular matters to a man.