1. Noncredit Basic Skills: Finding the Pipeline to a Better Future “Dual-Listed Classes: “Dual-Listed Classes: One Pipeline from Noncredit to Credit” ASCCC Spring 2008 Plenary Session Ad Hoc Noncredit Committee Presenter: Andrea Sibley-Smith North Orange County CCD-Noncredit School of Continuing Education

2. CRITICAL NEEDS: Underprepared, underemployed need support to higher education and jobs 30% high school drop out rate; 60% + in some urban areas 30% high school drop out rate; 60% + in some urban areas Over 1 million bet. 18 and 25 in CA lack a HS Diploma Over 1 million bet. 18 and 25 in CA lack a HS Diploma Population increasingly diverse; many in need of English proficiency Population increasingly diverse; many in need of English proficiency Growing immigrant population with many undereducated, under-skilled working adults Growing immigrant population with many undereducated, under-skilled working adults

3. (CRITICAL NEEDS cont.) Up to 80% of students entering college need basic skills and are not college-ready Up to 80% of students entering college need basic skills and are not college-ready Retention in college low Retention in college low Predicted that 75% of new future jobs will require some higher education Predicted that 75% of new future jobs will require some higher educationSO….. How can we support those needing higher education and vocational training? How can we support those needing higher education and vocational training?

4. CRITICAL NEEDS in North Orange County (…2000 Census) In 2000 approx 900,000 residents In 2000 approx 900,000 residents Over 130,000 adults have no high school diploma Over 130,000 adults have no high school diploma Over 72,000 non English speakers Over 72,000 non English speakers Over 263,000 foreign born population Over 263,000 foreign born population Over 169,000 non-US citizens Over 169,000 non-US citizens Annual immigration: Almost 18,000 people= by 2008 an additional 144,000 residents! Annual immigration: Almost 18,000 people= by 2008 an additional 144,000 residents!

5. One “Pipeline” to consider: “dual-listed” classes……… One “Pipeline” to consider: “dual-listed” classes……… Sometimes called different names Sometimes called different names –“Course-combining” –“Cross-listing” –“Co-Listing” Dual-listed classes are NOT: Dual-listed classes are NOT: –“Dual enrollment” or “Concurrent Enrollment”: Refers to HS students who simultaneously earn college credit from a community college

6. WHAT are “dual-listed” classes? A Credit class allows X number (i.e. 5-10) of “spaces” for noncredit students to take it as a noncredit class A Credit class allows X number (i.e. 5-10) of “spaces” for noncredit students to take it as a noncredit class Noncredit student enrolls in the credit class as a noncredit student Noncredit student enrolls in the credit class as a noncredit student Noncredit student experiences what a credit class is like! Noncredit student experiences what a credit class is like! …..BUT no grades, no fees, no pressure, no penalties for problems or failure …..BUT no grades, no fees, no pressure, no penalties for problems or failure Usually vocational (CTE) and ESL credit classes Usually vocational (CTE) and ESL credit classes

7. WHY dual-listed classes? Some potential credit students Some potential credit students –don’t see themselves as college students –fear failure –lack confidence –are unsure of abilities –need to “test the college waters”! Give students the practical experience of “taking a college class” without the pressure of grades, failure, etc. Give students the practical experience of “taking a college class” without the pressure of grades, failure, etc.

8. (WHY dual-Listed classes cont.) Provide that “pipeline” for students to move from noncredit to credit higher education and vocational training Provide that “pipeline” for students to move from noncredit to credit higher education and vocational training After successful completion of dual-listed class student may….. After successful completion of dual-listed class student may….. –Take a “credit by exam” to get credit if available (needs to pay student fees) –OR ask the instructor to waive prerequisite for the next level class –OR simply gain the confidence to transition to other credit classes

9. (WHY dual-listed classes cont.) Some colleges may lack numbers in enrollment to support some important and viable credit classes (often vocational) Some colleges may lack numbers in enrollment to support some important and viable credit classes (often vocational) Rural colleges have small student numbers Rural colleges have small student numbers Can lead to noncredit student enrolling in credit Can lead to noncredit student enrolling in credit Dual-listing can be mutually beneficial for both credit and noncredit students and programs Dual-listing can be mutually beneficial for both credit and noncredit students and programs

10. How we do dual-listed classes at North Orange CCD-SCE School of Continuing Education (SCE) works closely and collaboratively with Cypress College School of Continuing Education (SCE) works closely and collaboratively with Cypress College Dual-listed classes built up over a number of years Dual-listed classes built up over a number of years Currently 67 dual-listed apportionment classes at Cypress College (8 at Fullerton College) – see handout Currently 67 dual-listed apportionment classes at Cypress College (8 at Fullerton College) – see handout Mostly vocational and ESL classes Mostly vocational and ESL classes

11. (North Orange cont.) Two course outlines: credit and noncredit Two course outlines: credit and noncredit List of SCE dual-listed classes and example of noncredit & credit course outlines – see handout List of SCE dual-listed classes and example of noncredit & credit course outlines – see handout Course outlines go thru regular credit and noncredit approval processes Course outlines go thru regular credit and noncredit approval processes Noncredit/credit course outline same; SCE makes one difference on the SCE course outline Noncredit/credit course outline same; SCE makes one difference on the SCE course outline Example: SCE course has “final exam optional” Example: SCE course has “final exam optional” BUT student can take final exam to see if successful BUT student can take final exam to see if successful

12. (North Orange cont.) Separate attendance reporting Separate attendance reporting Instructor has 2 attendance rosters Instructor has 2 attendance rosters SCE Dual-listed class can qualify for noncredit Enhanced Funding if meets the CDCP criteria SCE Dual-listed class can qualify for noncredit Enhanced Funding if meets the CDCP criteria District keeps 2/3 of state apportionment District keeps 2/3 of state apportionment SCE collects 1/3 of noncredit state apportionment SCE collects 1/3 of noncredit state apportionment SCE transfers that 1/3 apportionment to Cypress College to support each dual-listed credit classes SCE transfers that 1/3 apportionment to Cypress College to support each dual-listed credit classes

13. WHAT are some challenges of dual- listed classes? Need collaborative relationship between credit and noncredit faculty, staff, counselors, administration, and programs! Need collaborative relationship between credit and noncredit faculty, staff, counselors, administration, and programs! Time intensive Time intensive Little monetary incentive for noncredit program (but supports student success!) Little monetary incentive for noncredit program (but supports student success!) Some concerns about repeatability issues (need to monitor) and student using it to avoid fees (not our experience at North Orange) Some concerns about repeatability issues (need to monitor) and student using it to avoid fees (not our experience at North Orange) More local and statewide research needs to be done to support efficacy and increase transitions More local and statewide research needs to be done to support efficacy and increase transitions

14. Future of dual-listed classes? One idea…… Current emphasis on needs for basic skills Current emphasis on needs for basic skills Potential of dual-listing credit developmental education (basic skills) classes for noncredit students Potential of dual-listing credit developmental education (basic skills) classes for noncredit students ESL dual-listed classes already working! ESL dual-listed classes already working! Advantages if enrolled as noncredit: Advantages if enrolled as noncredit: –A way to transition to credit classes –Some prefer to be sitting in a credit class, even if enrolled as a noncredit student –Could help with retention –No fees and would not use up financial aid if enrolled in noncredit –No penalty for withdrawals/repeatable as needed

15. Bottom Line: Dual-listed classes can be a pipeline for some noncredit students to transition to credit…. ….Could they be useful at your college? For further information contact: Andrea Sibley-Smith North Orange County CCD School of Continuing Education asibleysmith@sce.cc.ca.us cell-: (714) 815-3991