1. “Initiate the reorganisation and strengthening of the SRNWP Programme” EMN/C27/Doc12 C27 took place the 4-6 April 2006 in Toulouse 13th SRNWP Meeting 12th of October 2006, Zurich (Switzerland) SRNWP Programme

2. Documents distributed for preparation of the 3rd phase of the SRNWP Programme and Reactions Documents distributed in August 2006: –Programme Proposal DRAFT_1 –Programme Decision DRAFT_1 Reactions received from: –UGM –Meteo-France –SMHI –HIRLAM-ALADIN –COSMO Preparation of the discussion: –All the reactions considered with the same weight, independently of their origin (only ideas considered!)

3. Aim of this meeting Our work: We have define the main features of the next phase of SRNWP Programme (from 1st Jan.08) –The main points are Aims of the Programme Governance of the Programme Projects (scientific and operational) associated with the Programme To finalise in broad lines Aims and Governance –A dedicated meeting will very probably be necessary to define the projects To define the organisational procedure in order to have the “Programme Proposal” ready in April 2007 together with the Proposal(s) for Project(s) –First step: Writing of DRAFT_2 based on the decisions of this meeting Distribution of DRAFT_2 to the participants in November To bring discussions to a close, we will possibly have to vote. Please only one vote per SRNWP Member (per NMS).

4. Aims of the new Programme List of the aims (or goals) of each answer Synthesis

5. HIRLAM - ALADIN –Diffusion of NWP knowledge (main activity of the present SRNWP) –Enhanced scientific cooperation by research projects (mandate Vision workshop) –Enhanced operational cooperation and increased interoperability between models (mandate Vision workshop) –Training and education activities in NWP (new!) –Stronger liaison role with EUMETNET Programmes (already active), ECMWF (refused) and the climate modeling community (new!)

6. COSMO “Goals must be related to the recommendations of the Reading Workshop” –Interoperability issues –Realisation of the quick wins: common plots (has started with the WGCEF); model verification (Project proposal ready) –European Multi-model LAM COSMO priorities of the HA goals: –Enhanced Operational Cooperation (Interoperability) –Enhanced scientific cooperation through scientific projects –Information exchange (meetings, LC or WG, etc) –Training and Education

7. UGM Supports the COSMO comments, but with the following differences: –Priorities: Scientific Cooperation Training and Education –No priority for “Operational Cooperation” as it is not a “clear concept”. –Programme of training mission

8. Meteo-France “Meteo-France supports the project of reinforcing SRNWP in the spirit of the Vision” –“Most current SRNWP activities should continue in a future reinforced SRNWP” –New SRNWP activities “with strong priority” Adoption of common formats and rules for the input and output between the European NWP systems (with specific funding) R&D of common postprocessing and verification R&D on multi model LAM ensembles (GLAMEPS could be seen as the European contribution to TIGGE-LAM) OBSNET initiative under the responsibility of SRNWP (instrumented sites as NWP benchmarking tools) European LAM reanalysis (i.e. EURRA Project) Planning of observing systems for mesoscale NWP

9. SMHI (H-A internal document) Increase co-operation in NWP development in Europe Aim for a pan-European code frame work and one or a few European Community models (only 3 models on the km- scale) To promote operational co-operation: interoperability, data formats, etc. To spread and exchange NWP knowledge in Europe: SRNWP Workshops, European Conference, LC reports, etc Interaction with other EUMETNET Programmes: not so easy (relation SRNWP – Consortia) Recommendation “Try to stick to a limited number of tasks and aims and make them work well”

10. Aims of the new Programme List of the aims of each answer Synthesis

11. Diffusion of NWP knowledge Accepted by all Tools –SRNWP Workshops, EWGLAM Meetings, SRNWP web site, LC or WG Reports, European NWP Conferences (To harmonize with the decisions on “Governance”)

12. Enhancement of the scientific cooperation (1) Remark: It is not always obvious whether a proposal has to be classified under “scientific cooperation” or under “operational cooperation” Not always clear distinction between –Projects that should be financed by the EUMETNET Council outside the SRNWP Programme (for EUMETNET they are also called “Programmes”) and normally would have a different RM that the one of the SRNWP Programme. For submission to Council, they need their own “Project Proposal” and “Project Decision” (can be the same document). –Projects that should be realised inside the SRNWP Programme, directly financed by the NWS or the Consortia without interference of the EUMETNET Council –This remark applies equally to the proposal for the “operational cooperation”

13. Enhancement of the scientific cooperation (2) Accepted by all European LAM re-analysis (in coordination with ECMWF and ECSN/EUROGRID) Common interfacing between dynamics and physics in order to facilitate exchange of physical packages Cloud Resolving Scale (CRS) –DA at the CRS –Physical parameterizations suitable for the CRS Comprehensive LAM verification with the satellite information, particularly METEOSAT 8 (cf. diurnal cycle)

14. Enhancement of the operational cooperation Accepted by all, except UGM (no clear definition). common data formats for in- and outputs of models (e.g. exchange of analyses, of post-processing packages). Special funding proposed by Meteo-France, also considered as possibility by H-A. Goal of the theme “Interoperability” of the Vision. interoperability in the coupling between global models and the SRNWP LAMs adoption or development of common postprocessing, verification and intercomparison tools. Goes further than the Vision. common plots from all the consortia (already decided by the forecasters). “Quick wins” proposal of the Vision. harmonisation of quality control of observations centralized verification and intercomparison between the European LAMs (Project Proposal ready). Chosen as the “early project” as suggested by the Vision. Coupling of the SRNWP models with air chemistry models

15. Training and Education Activities in NWP Proposed by all, but with differences in the size. Not always very specific. Creation of a WG on education and training in Short Range NWP sharing educational material on the web organization of a yearly SRNWP summer school Co-ordination with ECMWF training Liaise with the national academia on training tools and events “Guest Researcher Programme”: stays of one year or so Programme of “Mid-term mission” for new staff and for exchange of personal between Consortia

16. European Multi-model LAM EPS Accepted by all Development of a large multi-model LAM EPS as the European contribution to the THORPEX Project TIGGE-LAM Fulfil the theme “European interactive multi- model LAM” of the Vision

17. Synthesis Enhancement of the operational cooperation Diffusion of NWP knowledge Enhancement of the scientific cooperation European Multi-model LAM EPS Training and Education Activities in NWP Priorities

18. Governance of the new Programme Lead Centres SRNWP Workshops EWGLAM Meetings Advisory Committee Other Tools

19. Lead Centres (1) LC have been created in 1999 to –organise every 2 years a workshop on their topic This function has been well fulfilled –inform regularly the NMS on the state-of-the-art of their topic Has been only partially fulfilled (reasons known) –act as consultant for the NMS in their topic This function has never been activated (reasons known) Alternatives –Suppression of the LC with no replacement –Suppression, but “discussions how their objectives could be reached in an alternative manner” –No suppression, but take measures in order that LC can fulfil their 3 duties (financial support) –Replacement of the LC by Working Groups: teams of scientists from all Consortia working in specific areas (cf. COSMO)

20. Lead Centres (2) If LC are retained or if WG are created, –how many? –for which topics? Today we have 7 LC’s: High resolution data assimilation Non-hydrostatic modelling Numerical techniques Statistical and dynamical adaptation of model results High resolution verification Soil and surface processes and assimilation of surface variables Short-range EPS

21. SRNWP Workshops Today: a workshop every 2 years for each of our 7 topics Alternatives for the new SRNWP Programme –SRNWP Workshops are maintained (all minus one) LC are maintained or replaced by WG –Each LC (respective WG) organises the workshops on its theme LC are suppressed and not replaced by WG –Decision on workshops (time and topic) by the advisory committee Do we keep the two year rule? –SRNWP Workshops are suppressed (one opinion) In order to reduce the number of meetings, LC Workshops should be replaced by one annual “Inter- consortia Conference” open to Academy (cf. idea European Conference on NWP)

22. EWGLAM Meetings Have to be maintained annually following the Ljubljana format (all agreed) Following the Vision recommendation “Develop better working relations with Academia”, the PM suggested they alternate every two years with “European NWP Conferences” (similar to the AMS NWP Conferences) Two positive reactions to this idea –A suggestion: Consider EMS PM shall contact the President of the EMS for a first exchange of opinion of this topic

23. SRNWP Advisory Committee All agreed that for an enlarged Programme with projects and more activities an advisory body is necessary Form of the AC –Each NWS represented The NWS finance the Programme Large → less efficient –Participation centred over the Consortia Small → Efficient – 2 stages: “daily management group” (small, many contacts with PM) and AC with all NWS represented ok for a Consortium. Unnecessary complicated for SNWP

24. Programme Manager and Programme Length All agreed for a full time PM with full reimbursement of his salary and expenses to the Responsible Member (about € 90’000 a year) Duration of the Programme: presently 4 years –Next Programme: 3, 4, 5, years? or more?