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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Thomas S. Bauer - NIKHEF
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Thomas S. Bauer - NIKHEF
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF with ? s Some questions and critical remarks to the recently reported exotic states: + { u u d d s } at 1.540 GeV and - - = { u d d s s } at 1.862 GeV.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Present experimental status several experiments reporting positive results; all reported signals are not very strong ; revisiting an intensively studied domain; several critical remarks published; possibly other origins of observed effects;
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Present experimental status several experiments reporting positive results; all reported signals are not very strong; revisiting an intensively studied domain; several critical remarks published; possibly other origins of observed effects; but but : no discussion of other results than mass and width; (almost) no comparison with existing data; no assessment of consistency of results; experiments without result refrain to publish...
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF List of experiments: SPring-8 (Japan) hep-ex/0301020 08 Jul. 2003 CLAS (TJLab) hep-ex/0307018 10 Dec. 2003 SAPHIR (Bonn) hep-ex/0307083 30 Sep. 2003 Hermes (HERA) hep-ex/0312044 22 Jan. 2004 -data (BEBC and Fermilab) hep-ex/0309042 25 Sep. 2003 Diana (ITEP) hep-ex/0304040 18 Sep. 2003 SVD-2 (Protvino) hep-ex/0401024 22 Jan. 2004 NA49 (CERN) hep-ex/0310014 8 Oct. 2003 ZEUS (HERA)... e-scatt. (K + + Xe) (p + A) (p + p) e-p scatt. WA89; Graal; H1;H1; CoSy; Hera-B...
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF and resonances + {uudds} decays to n + and to p K 0
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF resonances - - {ssddu} decays to - -
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8 (LEPS) ( + 12 C) Some salient features: new experiment, optimized for -physics *) ; uses real photons from Synchr. Radiation Source; E < 2.4 GeV; LH 2 target and 12 C target - only 12 C used; PID through ToF and magnetic field; recoiling protons via Si-strip detector; correction for Fermi-motion. *) “new” = 2001. No printed publication except 2 conference contributions + PQ – paper.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8 (LEPS) first evidence for + -state; produced in : + n + + K - ; + K + + n; used C-target; 19 events in peak.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8 (LEPS) Particle Identification: magnetic field + Time of Flight ( + Cherenkov ) possible problem: 43 * 10 6 triggers 8000 events with K + K -, final signal = 19 events need purity of 10 -6 !! (including other cuts)
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8 (LEPS) A closer look at Fermi motion: due to nuclear target ; “correlated with Q-value”; correction crucial for final result! n - n-n- n+n+ Q (MeV) 37120107 (MeV) <1042~20 p (cms) 104193244 However measured width of + n K + much smaller than width of !! ( 20 MeV vs. 42 MeV) by the way: shouldn’t the width rather be correlated to momentum in cms...? which would make things worse.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8 (LEPS) Identification of state relies heavily on absence of (fast) proton: the Si-strip detector is used as VETO -- this relies crucially on (very) high efficiency. (no info on this found in the available SPRING-8 documents). (Questions: strip efficiency, coincidence between layers, etc.) The Veto condition is checked at ± 45 mm around the presumed impact of the proton. this requires knowledge of the complete kinematics – which is not available!
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8 (LEPS) (from Nakano et al.)
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8 (LEPS) Question: “removing” 5 events destroys peak. (from Nakano et al.)
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8 (LEPS) Question: “removing” 5 events destroys peak. Thus: how can we gain trust in result ? Answer: Use data on LH 2 : must be able to see + p + K 0 s ; no no problem with proton-veto ; no no problem with Fermi-motion. (from Nakano et al.) Note: SPring-8/LEPS can (in principle) trigger on pions of K 0 s decay.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF CLAS
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF CLAS ( + 2 D, + 1 H ) Some salient features: Large acceptance experiment, several years of operation; domain: Baryon resonances; E < 2.9 GeV and < 5 GeV, (respectively) H 2 target and 2 D target ; PID through ToF and magnetic field; Correction for Fermi-motion (when needed).
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF CLAS attempt: analyze D-target data, assuming + n + + K -, Fermi correction treated as by SPring-8 collaboration: Problem: “No statistical significant result obtained!” and “CLAS... unfavorable... for direct + photoproduction detection” (Luminita Todor, Seminar@JLAB, Aug. 15, 2003) --- how to proceed ???
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF require double scattering process to eject proton; measurement kinematically complete Goal: n + + + K - ; Problem: no free neutron target ; apply trick : use n in D-target; CLAS
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF CLAS Prize for re-scattering: yield goes down (later called “quenching”). (implicit claim CLAS: “~50 %” ) reported yields: : 124 1520 : 228 + : 42 Attention: difficult to compare: acceptances not known, presumably not equal. yield / yield ≈ 0.4 – probably even larger! Need Monte Carlo in order to determine acceptance and cross section.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF CLAS -- new data apparently not yet available, though shown at workshop in Trento, Febr. 12, 2004 two peaks, at 1.528 and 1.578 GeV yield of 1.578 GeV peak is ~2 times stronger
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SAPHIR
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF 133 M events (taken ~5 years ago) trigger = 2 charged tracks signal: ~ 50 events corresponds to production cross section of ~ 200 nb. SAPHIR (Elsa-Bonn) ( + 1 H ) this is “≈ 20 % of , and 1520 cross sections” – and d ec r e a s i n g with time. “rising with energy”
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF -- another member of the anti-decuplet... + = { u u d d s } - - = { u d d s s }.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 ( p-p, √ s = 17 GeV) p-p scattering at √ s = 17 GeV signals for -- : combining - and - cross check with other charge combinations. can use 0* 1530 as benchmark.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 Remarks: opening angle lab > 4.5 º
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 Remarks: opening angle lab > 4.5 º !!! lab is not a physical parameter !!!
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 Remarks: opening angle lab > 4.5 º !!! lab is not a physical parameter !!! 0 1530 visible, but weaker than - - (1860) (due to some cuts... total *0 1530 signal is ~150 evts.)
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 versus NA49 Criticism: (Thanks to H.G. Fischer and S. Wenig, CERN, hep-ex / 0401014 – 12 Jan 2004) NA49 used 1640 - and 551 + events NA49 sees a total of ~ 150 *0 1530 S.N. Gangule et al. (NP. B128-408, (1977) report ~ 800 *0 1530 from S.N. Gangule et al. Nucl.Phys. B128, 408, (1977)
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 ( p-p, √ s = 17 GeV) --
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 versus (?) WA89 *) *) taken from Pochodzalla, Mainz, talk at JLab, Oct 2003
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF What is hidden beyond 1.8 GeV in WA89 ?? total: ~ 150 0* Note: 63 000 ± 6 000 0* ?
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF what has NA49 to say about NA49 + nK + ?
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 + nK + a)nK + inv. mass spectrum; b) deviation from polynomial;
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 + nK + a)nK + inv. mass spectrum; b) deviation from polynomial; c) 30 % of 1520 added as a hypothetical + ; d)statistical significance of added signal. note: different E-scale!
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hermes
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hermes ( e-A, E e = 27 GeV) quoted signal: 54... 59 ± 16 How stable is this signal?
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hermes ( e-A, E e = 27 GeV) First: one can do much more with 33 datapoints...
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hermes ( e-A, E e = 27 GeV) 121 40
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hermes ( e-A, E e = 27 GeV)
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hermes ( e-A, E e = 27 GeV)
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hermes ( e-A, E e = 27 GeV) note: width 1670 small (25 ~ 50 MeV/c 2 ) width 1690 small (50 ~ 70 MeV/c 2 ) -channel
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hermes -- another regard on these data pretty superfluous!! from Hermes publication: bckgrnd = 5 Gauss + mixing = 6 params signal = Gauss (3param) total = 9 params bckgrnd = parabola (3 params) signal = Gauss (3param) total = 6 params 2 /n = 0.64 most likely!! bckgrnd = parabola (3 params) only total = 3 params 2 /n = 1.097
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF other work R. A. Arndt, I.I. Strakovsky and R.L. Workman: (nucl-th/0311030, 10 Nov. 2003) reexamine existing K + p and K + d database; “how could such a state have been missed”? “The lack of structure in database implies: “ a width of an MeV or less, assuming a state exists near 1540 MeV.”
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hera-B
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hera-B ( p-A, √ s = 42 GeV) finally, a signal which one would like to believe... K 0 - p
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hera-B ( p-A, √ s = 42 GeV) finally a signal which we can enhance...
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hera-B ( p-A, √ s = 42 GeV) finally a signal which we can enhance... and let shrink
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hera-B ( p-A, √ s = 42 GeV) and let come back...
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hera-B ( p-A, √ s = 42 GeV) if only we couldn’t make it come and go...... a signal which we would like to believe... ? ? ? ? let me explain:
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF K s – proton as artefact: 1. take the Armenteros-Podolanski plot for K s and 2. select overlap region between K s and
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF 3. add third particle (proton) with momentum ≈ to one of the pions. K s – proton as artefact: Result: This is a MC generated peak!
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hera-B ( p-A, √ s = 42 GeV) this “ ” signal appears if : - -K s ambiguity not 100 % removed; - clones not 100 % removed - protons not 100 % identified
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Hera-B ( p-A, √ s = 42 GeV) REAL RESULT p likelihood > 0.95 No evidence of resonances in the mass region around 1.530 GeV.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 versus Hera-B *0 --
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF NA49 versus Hera-B *0 -- note: Resolution Hera-B ≈ 3.5 MeV note: different scales!
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Yields and (taken from publications) ++ (1520) SPring-819 ± 2.84.6 ≈ 1500≈ 35 CLAS-d43 ± ?5.8 ≈ 126≈ 212 CLAS-p27 ± 84.8 -- SAPHIR63 ± 134.8 --530 ± 90 Neutrino27 ± 86.7 -- Diana27 ± ?4.4 -- Hermes≈ 70 ± 18≈ 4 ?? (≈ 400) SVD-2~ 50 ± ?≈ 5.6 - - NA49no signal !36 ± 6 ?5.6
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Summary by now, >8 experiments claim positive signals; all signals are weak: << 100 events; between ~ 3 and 6 or 7 (could be discussed) but...
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF SPring-8: correction for Fermi motion ? Particle identification ? proton veto through SSD, and only in region where proton expected. Problems
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF CLAS : Problems - 2 Quenching through rescattering process likely to be strongly underestimated; Newest results show two peaks: 1.528 GeV and 1.578 GeV first peak agrees with other experiments SPring-8 Fermi motion correction does not work; second is new and is not seen by other expts.
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF ++ SAPHIR : ≈ 200 nb Problems - 3 Hermes : ≈ 100... 200 nb ≈ 1.5.. 3 0.3 equal?? CLAS : ≈ 10... 20 nb *) *) includes rescattering (presumably) cross section 30 % of 1520 added as a hypothetical + ;
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Problems – 4 -- NA49 claim not confirmed by high-statistics experiments; NA49 doesn’t see established resonances; NA49 even doesn’t see the +... *) *) that is to say: if it exists
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Problems – 5 Hermes needs * and ** -resonances to fit background in p-K 0 ; Note: p-K - channel 30 times more efficient than p-K 0 channel... but doesn’t see well established *** and **** resonances in p-K - channel;
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF Problems – 6 p-K 0 peak can be created by clones together with excess at K 0 - crossing...
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF a way out ?? What about the width???
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF a way out ?? What about the width??? How can a state at this energy be so narrow??
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF a way out ?? What about the width??? How can a state at this energy be so narrow?? my (an experimentalist’s) theoretical prediction is:
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF a way out ?? What about the width??? How can a state at this energy be so narrow?? my (an experimentalist’s) theoretical prediction is : ≈ 10 -22 eV
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF a way out ?? What about the width??? How can a state at this energy be so narrow?? my (an experimentalist’s) theoretical prediction is : ≈ 10 7 s
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Th. S. Bauer - NIKHEF a way out ?? What about the width??? How can a state at this energy be so narrow?? my (an experimentalist’s) theoretical prediction is : ≈ 10 7 s
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