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Decadal prediction Scientific interest Meetings and Workshops Organizational aspects WGSIP role and activities
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WGCM/WGSIP and Decadal Predictability
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International scientific interest
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CMIP5 Experiment Design “Long-Term” (century & longer) TIER 1 TIER 2 CORE “realistic” diagnostic “Near-Term” (decadal) (initialized ocean state) prediction & predictability CORE TIER 1
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Active meeting and workshop schedule OceanObs09 (Venice, Sept 09) 8 th Workshop on Decadal Climate Variability (Maryland, Oct 09) Earth-System Initialization for Decadal Prediction (deBilt, Nov 09) Predicting Climate of the Coming Decades (Miami, Jan 10) WGSIP-13 (Buenos Aires, July 10) Conference on Decadal Predictability (Triest, Aug, 10) Workshop on Decadal Variability, Predictability and Predictions: understanding the role of the oceans (NCAR, Sept 10) WGCM-14 (Exeter, Oct 10) Seasonal to Multi-decadal Predictability of the Polar Climate (Bergen, Oct 10) IPCC 1 st LA Meeting (Kunming, Nov 10)
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OceanObs09 Decadal White Papers
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Decadal prediction Scientific interest Meetings and Workshops Organizational aspects focus survey panel IPCC WGSIP role and activities
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PCMDI website
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Decadal prediction focus? current CLIVAR site is really very good but perhaps “focus” on decadal aspect? links from/to WGSIP, WGCM, WGOMD plus PCMDI to a CLIVAR “decadal prediction” page? currently under cross-cuts lacks a “name” what’s in a name? “near-term” (decadal) hindcast/prediction simulations (!) WCRP decadal prediction CMIP5 near term experiments …. what should be in the name? prediction or forecast (not simulation or experiment) timescale (near term climate, decadal, …) activity (project, intercomparison, …) sponsor/identifier (WCRP, CLIVAR, CMIP5, …) something like CMIP5 Decadal Prediction Project (CDPP) or CMIP5 Decadal Forecasting Project (CDFP) …. Does WGSIP want to make recommendations in this area (i.e. focus and name) ?
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Organizational aspects of decadal prediction: survey SIP community natural participants Experience/ability in most needed aspects IPCC-class models initialization, ensemble generation retrospective forecast methodology forecast combination, calibration, skill measures … (external forcing)
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WGSIP-12 Meeting Report
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(include them?) ( CMIP )
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should we survey both other questions or or keep it simple suitable wrt CHFP timeline
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Results of draft CHFP survey
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CHFP action items? data considerations critical CIMA role email for test data timeline what of data not sent to CIMA EMSEMBLES CCCma, IRI, … role for BADC? mirror CIMA actively collect data from other above sites
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Results of draft CDFP survey Follow on activities … complete survey representative at WGCM meeting (Exeter, Oct.) …
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WGSIP-12 Meeting Report
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CMIP5-WGSIP-WGCM panel At the Paris WGCM meeting a CMIP5-decadal Panel was struck consisting of Tim Stockdale and/or GJB (WGSIP), M. Latif, R. Stouffer (CMIP), G. Meehl (WGCM) I have included K. Taylor in any interactions such as they are So far, the actions of the Panel have consisted in some discussion of the treatment of volcano forcing for decadal prediction resulted in a useful clarification no other burning questions have arisen so far Presume WGSIP is keen to entrain the seasonal/interannual prediction (SIP) community into CMIP5-decadal very natural extension from SIP to seasonal/decadal (S2D) prediction has useful experience Item 17: “panel”
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Email to CMIP5-WGSIP-WGCM panel Suggesting potential actions which could be discussed at the upcoming WGSIP meeting in July: to circulate an email to members of the community urging participation in CMIP5-decadal and pointing them to both the WGSIP and CMIP5 websites to feature an CMIP5-decadal link on the WGSIP (and perhaps other WGs’) front page(s) leading to some basic information and a link to the CMIP5 website to note the existence of the CMIP5-decadal (i.e. CDFP) Panel as a contact point for questions in this area (at the moment Karl appears as the contact for all of CMIP5 on various web sites) WGSIP may also discuss how we might contribute to decadal studies in the areas of predictability, initialization, analysis and verification Information you think the WG should be aware of or particular action they should consider taking?
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WGCM (Meehl) suggests important activities in conjunction with WGSIP: suggests WGSIP can provide guidance on how to evaluate the decadal hindcasts, experience in how to use hindcasts to evaluate predictions in the SI community ENSO hindcast activities as a possible template. important input for Ch 11 of the AR5 notes potential Aspen Workshop next summer: synthesis paper on decadal hindcasts- predictions for assessment by Ch 11, IPCC
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CMIP5 (Taylor) responds data questions and other technical questions mainly for CMIP5 will forward “science” questions he receives to Panel (Latif: thanks for update … was panel officially established?) Possible follow up … Survey WGSIP subgroup on “standard” analysis/verification applications (?) …. offer input to Aspen workshop perhaps …
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WGSIP and the IPCC
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WGSIP recommendations for Chapter 11? Title: Near-term climate prediction long timescales in climate system forced and internally generated predictability studies and results predictability as a feature of the physical system "skill" as our ability to correctly predict review of decadal scale predictability studies and implications decadal forecast skill past studies but especially from CMIP5-decadal (CDFP) forecast combination, calibration, verification skill measures (deterministic and probabilistic) predictions 2015-25 etc. (NOT projections dammit) from CMIP5-decadal deterministic and probabilistic in the context of past skill naturally includes regions - not a separate topic summary
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WGSIP recommendations for Chapter 11? The outline's last three topics: Atmospheric composition and air quality Possible effects of geoengineering Quantification of the range of climate change projections We will have few if any near term “forecasts" or "predictability studies" of: atmospheric composition and air quality effects of geoengineering The "quantification" of decadal predictions (NOT long term projections) is already, and properly, part of the "forecast skill" don't need it as a separate topic don't want to make claims about Chapter 12 far-term climate projections Does WGSIP have (should WGSIP have) recommendations for the organization of Chapter 11?
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WGSIP decadal actions? survey community as to status of CHFP and CDFP post results on website data, workshop implications for CHFP CLIVAR site focus on “CDFP” links with and to WGSIP, WGCM, WGOMD sites (note CMIP5-decadal Panel as a contact point) make comments/recommendations as to: methods, validation, evaluation, scores etc. IPCC Chapter 11 (topics, treatment..)
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should we do this? other questions or or keep it simple?
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Summary Decadal prediction a natural extension of WGSIP’s SIP interests and of the Climate-system Historical Forecast Project (CHFP) –IPCC class models –initialization of coupled system –retrospective forecasting of coupled system –focus on prediction and skill WGSIP/WGCM/CMIP5 partnership in “near term climate prediction” experiments – complementary expertise –expanded community of models –joint oversight group Where are we in WGSIP’s view –workshops/projects are addressing some basic aspects –CMIP provides infrastructure support –need for forcing data –WGSIP/WGCM collaboration –reasonable progress in prospect –anticipate further workshops (e.g dealing with results; combination, calibration, verification, implications for climate, application, value, …)
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Other aspects; can WGSIP usefully address particular aspects of for instance: retrospective forecast methodology initialization, ensemble generation forecast combination, calibration, skill measures …. I.E. what is missing from meetings and workshops?
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Predictability and prediction predictability a characteristic of a physical system itself a measure of the rate of separation of initially close states indicates the possibility of prediction prognostic predictability studies typically use model to simulate “rate of separation” presumption that the model “similar enough” to real system forecast skill characterized by error growth rate, decorrelation, or other measure (rate of separation of actual and predicted states) indicates the current ability to predict “potential predictability” analysis of variance; measure of signal to noise identifies regions where decadal variability is a useful fraction of the total variance meant to indicate that prediction is potentially possible
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Key issues - deBilt
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